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Post by exmoorfan on Apr 9, 2009 20:37:47 GMT 1
Hope this is the right place for this.? Did anyone see this on Tuesday evening on BBC2 .? It was with Alexandra Tolstoy .. She was in Siberia.. Fascinating but sad too..Lovely Siberian poines.. How they kept them and used them for meat..
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 9, 2009 21:00:54 GMT 1
I was rather horrified as I stupidly thought it was going to be a horsey program. Interesting about their way of life but the killing was so brutal (I know easily said with our privalidged lives). I hid under quilt for mopst and switched off when they were going to slaughter that mare.
Not something/somewhere I could have gone and she seemed very (too) calm about the whole thing....I've heard Bull Fighting is next so clearly they are going for the gruesome/ shock value....probably a good thing rather than burrying your hread in the sand like me but it's way outside my comfort zone.
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Post by exmoorfan on Apr 9, 2009 21:27:08 GMT 1
Oh Dear Haffyfan.. Don't think I will watch any more then.. I have to confess I didn't watch the end.. Fell asleep.. So missed the mare killing.. I too thought is was going to be a historic horse programme..
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Post by Claire on Apr 9, 2009 21:47:07 GMT 1
Was going to watch this on iplayer til I saw it said they were some distressing scenes and I read the blurb. Pity cos I would like to have seen the Icelandic ponies. But as haffy said looks they are going for the shock value. I dont know why they cant just have some nice programmes on horses without having to bring the unpleasant side of things into it.
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Post by kunuma on Apr 9, 2009 22:02:40 GMT 1
Yes, i started watching, and then suddenly had a horrible feeling I knew what was coming so hastily changed over. To my cynical eye it seems that nothing is thought interesting any more, neither in real life, nor so called entertainment, unless it involves violence. If human beings, as someone more famous than me once said, are to be judged on their humanity by their treatment of other species, then perhaps we are now overdue for our extinction! Me, I am voting for the ants next time round!
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Post by garej on Apr 10, 2009 14:29:24 GMT 1
Like Haffyfan I thought it was going to be for horse lovers.
I actually turned over when the horse's sad demise was being shown. Also a lot of the horse eating scenes I turned over too. I probably only watched about half.
I understand that yes they do have to eat horse meat (it's not like they have a tesco's to get to) but I thought it was too graphic in places. I have seen pigs etc slaughtered but still. It's like they were shoving things too far down your face rather than portraying a way of life. I think it could have been handled way much better.
I am not here next week so I cant see the next week's one, but I dont know about the one after that.
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Post by Claire on Apr 10, 2009 18:00:37 GMT 1
Makes you wonder what sort of audience it was aimed at. If it was aimed at animal/horse lovers then it went way off the mark. Like garej said why did they have to shove it down your throat. Yes I know that some cultures will eat horses but will still love and care for them but surely certain matters can be implied rather than shown graphically. It is the same with wildlife documentaries. Of course I accept that animals kill and eat each other but why do the programmes seem to linger over such scenes? I dont think we are sticking our heads in the sand if we dont want graphic details! But what a shame that when a chance came to make a documentary featuring horses, they went down the unsavoury shock tactic route. It is rare that we horselovers see anything horse related on TV
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Post by Claire on Apr 22, 2009 21:42:59 GMT 1
Thought I would watch this weeks episode as it appeared fairly innocuous (cowboys n indians attititudes to horses) and also I'm very interested in this different style of riding. When they came to break in a horse on the ranch I was a bit apprehensive, expecting all sorts of horrible things to go on, but the cowboy actual used a sort of Monty Roberts join up approach. I wonder if they are becoming more enlightened with regard to being less harsh in their training methods..or it was just lucky she picked a nice one! Also there was some stuff about barrel racing for those of you howrse-players who like virtual barrels and lots of amazing QH action. Havent watched it all yet but so far there has not been anything gruesome! What I found surprising was that Alexandra Tolstoy the presenter, a very experienced rider, had supposedly never broken in a horse or ridden bareback before! Things I was happily doing in my early teens.
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Post by zoe on Apr 22, 2009 22:37:11 GMT 1
Oh no I forgot to watch it! last weeks had some lovely spanish horses on and the bull fighting bit (although not nice) wasn't as bad as I expected after reading about the siberian one - which I didn't see. Does anyone know if it's repeated?
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Post by Claire on Apr 22, 2009 23:42:10 GMT 1
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Post by Claire on Apr 23, 2009 11:16:46 GMT 1
Well I spoke too soon, Iwatched the rest of the programme and they still mangaged to shoe-horn some unpleasantness into it. There was a (short) bit about how the skinny/old horses are dumped at auctions for a few dollars and then shipped off to Mexico for meat. What gets me is that the rancher was saying by the time they have paid for the horses to be shipped to the auction and the auction fees they don't make a profit so some people just quietly shoot the old or useless horses on their ranch. But he said it like it was a bad thing. Surely its better than sending the poor things off on a hellish journey to end up dead anyway? But admittedly its a short bit and if you dont want to see it you can just fast forward over it if you watch it on iplayer. The barrell racing is amazing!
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Post by kunuma on Apr 24, 2009 15:30:58 GMT 1
Thanks for link Claire -I watched it, although hilariously my download speed couldn't quite cope, so all her astonishing remarks came way before the scene they should have appeared in, but I had already decided she was a lost cause, when she asked the livestock rancher why hailstones the size of golfballs were bad news!!!! I assumed she was a beginner from her daft remarks but then she said she lost her nerve falling off at 11 years old - but perhaps she had only ever ridden at riding schools, I can't imagine how else she thought you could only balance on a horse if you had stirrups!!? I loved that bareback relay racing - they should start that over here along with barrel racing! Brilliant!
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Post by sarah on Apr 24, 2009 20:19:49 GMT 1
Remembered to watch this on i-player before it disappeared. A few thoughts: Did anyone else think the two horses they were 'breaking' in maybe weren't so new to the experience? Or am I just cynical?! "With Softie well on the way to being broken in" - hmmm - after sitting on him once! One of the chestnut horses was an evil bucker (!!!) - nasty little twist of the hindquarters in mid air. But the bucking bulls - oh my *** - they turn on the riders when they fall off. I like the idea of horses roaming free outside my house and being able to ride any one that I wanted - very nice (Krow reservation) Bareback relay was great - I've always fancied galloping around a proper racecourse - but bareback??? I suppose not everyone who rides is lucky enough to find somewhere where they can ride bareback and get the chance to break in ponies - makes you realise how lucky some of us were. I can really sympathise with her being nervous - did you see the size of that crowd and how professional (and fast) all the other competitors were. Would love to try it mind - shall we start our own team (just need to buy in a few quarter horses first). www.horsemart.co.uk/cat/quarter_horses/1/98
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Post by Claire on Apr 24, 2009 21:06:10 GMT 1
Lol Sarah it looks just up my street. I always was a bit of a wild rider Mind you nowadays the barrell would probably be too lively for me ;D ;D ;D Kunuma, a lot of the ISPs are cutting down their bandwith so you cant get iplayer to run very well at peak times. You may have better luck watching it through the day than on an evening. Talking of iplayer, just browsing through it and found a programme called 'My Life as a Horse' part of a series where someone bizarrely attempts to live a few days as various animals. Anyone seen it?
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Post by zoe on Apr 24, 2009 21:24:26 GMT 1
oooh they're tempting Sarah - can I have a loan anyone???
I watched my life as a horse last night - it was good. One girl had to live with 5 tb s for 3 days and get accepted by the herd and a man was with a small herd of exmoor ponies. They had to eat the ponies food (carrots oats etc) and try and become leader of the herd. It was mentioned on the prog that horses are one of the only animals that will commit suicide if they are in loads of pain - I didn't know this and was quite shocked!
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Post by Claire on Apr 24, 2009 21:28:00 GMT 1
Thanks for the info zoe I think I will have a watch. Didnt know about the suicide thing either!
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Post by sarah on Apr 25, 2009 22:45:19 GMT 1
Thanks for posting about that programme Zoe - just watched it - very interesting. How gorgeous were the Exmoor ponies? I want 1 (or 2 or 3).
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Post by Claire on May 2, 2009 19:46:21 GMT 1
Yes I finally got round to watching the My Life as a Horse thing. Found it fascinating. (And yes the exmoors were scrumptious!) I even watched the other 2 programmes about pigs and dogs which were also interesting. Strangely enough the male protagonists managed to get into the animal lifestyle much better than the girls. Well not that strange really...considering what men are like left to their own devices ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2009 18:41:23 GMT 1
I watched this and was also disappointed with the shock tactics. I was really looking forward to it too, but couldn't watch the horse eating bit or the bull fighting. The barrel racing was good though.
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