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Post by Claire on May 27, 2011 20:20:38 GMT 1
OK first things first what period are we talking about here? On the website I have modern books categorised as 1990 onwards as I think that is when they started to change in style somewhat. Or as suggested on the other thread we could have say 1980s to 1990s then an ultra modern or maybe in print now section.
Suggestions please!
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Post by susanb on May 27, 2011 20:28:29 GMT 1
I stand by my original suggestion....1980s and on for "modern".
That leaves the "golden age" books at essentially 1940 through 1979, so about four decades worth, and the output doing those years is VASTLY greater than the 1980-2011 three decade swath!
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Post by Claire on May 27, 2011 20:33:01 GMT 1
I think the people on here who were born in the 1980s would not consider it as modern ;D 1980 was over 30 years ago now not sure even I could call it modern (and I was born well before then!) Still it would mean more choice.
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Post by garej on May 27, 2011 20:38:20 GMT 1
I think the people on here who were born in the 1980s would not consider it as modern ;D 1980 was over 30 years ago now not sure even I could call it modern (and I was born well before then!) Still it would mean more choice. I was born in 1981 so I consider anything considerably younger than me modern! I think 1990s is correct. My answers in a minute.
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Post by garej on May 27, 2011 20:43:09 GMT 1
1990 onwards:-
A Job With Horses (JPT) The Long Ride Home (DPT) Blind Beauty (K M Peyton) Riders series (Samantha Alexander) Kestrels series (Patricia Leitch) Bargain Horses (Gillian Baxter)
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Post by susanb on May 27, 2011 22:26:18 GMT 1
If I had been born in 1990, I'd consider anything from that decade to be "old"....it all depends on your perspective!
In terms of book collecting, 1980 is VERY, VERY recent. "Modern" is considered to be anything published in the 20th century, right back to 1900!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2011 6:32:33 GMT 1
Modern to me says 1990 onwards. Victoria Eveleigh - Midnight on Lundy and the three Katy Exmoor series she wrote.
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Post by Claire on May 28, 2011 10:27:12 GMT 1
I think we'll stick to the 1990s onwards (sorry susan I do know where you are coming from I have to raise an eyebrow when I see 1980s books described as 'vintage' ) The reason I go from the 1990s is that I feel the tone of pony books changed around then, its when the 'teen' elements started to take over and fantasy began to become more prevalent. I do think the 1970s and 1980s had a bit of a different style to the 50s and 60s too (more aventure orientated) but there were still lots of traditional pony stories bieng written in the old mould. I have a feeling K M P may win this one! Some suggestions, Blind Beauty, Pony in the Dark & The Scruffy Pony by her. The Horse on the Balcony by Jane Ayres, The Pony Swap by Pamela Kavanagh, Winter of the Crystal Dances, Dark Fire and Freedom by Angela Dorsey, Brazen Horse by Isolde Pullum, Circle of Blue by Eleanor Jones, Saddle Island books by Sharon Siamon, If Wishes Were Horses by Virginia Vail, The Ghost Horse of Meadow Green by Anne Louise Macdonald, Second Best Pony by Mary Sharp, The Most Beautiful Horse in the World by Diane Redmond, Bargain Horses by Gillian Baxter. But Blind Beauty is for me head and shoulders above the others.
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Post by trixiepony on May 28, 2011 10:43:08 GMT 1
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Post by haffyfan on May 28, 2011 10:56:22 GMT 1
Alyssa Brugman (all the shelby books) Shelley peterson (Dancer, Abby Malone, Stagestruck, Sundancer, Mystery At Saddlecreek Farm) There is also a Dark Days at saddle Creek farm which i just remembered should be out now aand need to order! (just bought a new saddle literally minutes ago so OH will be be a bit naffed off with me but hey ho ) Sheena Wilkinson -Taking Flight Jane Smiley - Nobody's Horse and Secret horse (which i recently ordered but havent read but if the first is anything to go by should be excellent) Kim Ablon Whitney - The Perfect Distance Samantha Alexander - her riders books are readable. Not read the others yet K M Peyton - Blind Beauty, Darkling (think this was 89 possibly thinking about it), Poor Badger Carolyn Henderson _ The Grey Ghost Susan Millard - Against the Odds The Sandy Lane Stables books are also readable
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Post by haffyfan on May 28, 2011 11:04:14 GMT 1
scrap the new Shelley Peteron it's 2012 it seems!
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2011 11:21:44 GMT 1
Definately Blind Beauty!
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Post by sarah on May 28, 2011 11:45:36 GMT 1
I think Blind Beauty may win by a distance.
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Post by shadowhawke on May 28, 2011 20:01:47 GMT 1
Saddle Isle Books were ok... I found another one set in Newfoundland... I'll have to hunt down the title. I actually liked the first half of the Thoroughbred series. Right until Christina grew up, then it got sucky. Star Of Shadowbrooke Farm, Battlecry Forever, and I'll have to think of more. Most of what I find around here are those Pony Club books, and I find them boring. Secret Of The Night Riders by Joan Hiatt Harlow That's the one... is set in Newfoundland and wasn't to bad
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Post by susanb on May 28, 2011 22:12:25 GMT 1
I wonder if the cutoff of 1990 just makes more sense to you folks in the UK because the publishing industry there seems to have taken a pretty intense dislike to horse books at that time? It doesn't seem to have happened here in the US...while the number of authors writing has declined, they don't seem to have problems getting published. (I'm not refering to the horrible series books, btw!!!)
The fantasy element is here pretty much only in the Stabenfeldt books....the only true sub-genre that you see is the historic horse book (several examples in the list below). Teen books have ALWAYS been part of the US horse book scene, right from the 1930s, so that shift just didn't exist here.
Anyway, here are my additions....I could list several more authors/books that are post-1990 that look good, but I haven't read 'em yet!
Jessie Haas A Horse Like Barney (1993) Beware quartet: Beware the Mare (1992), A Blue for Beware (1995), Be Well Beware (1996, Beware and Stogie (1998) Uncle Daney’s Way (1994) Unbroken (1999) Chase (2007)
Diane Lee Wilson I Rode a Horse of Milk White Jade (1998) To Ride the Gods Own Stallion (2000) Black Storm Comin’ (2005) Firehorse (2006) Raven Speak (2010)
Alison Hart Shadow Horse (2001) Whirlwind (2010)
Alison Lester The Quicksand Pony (1998) The Snow Pony (2003)
Zilpha Keatly Snyder Gib Rides Home (1998) Gib and the Gray Ghost (2000)
Sally M. Keehn The First Horse I See (1999)
Gelsey Kirkland and Greg Lawrence The Little Ballerina and Her Dancing Horse
(yes, I know, that last seems out of place, but it was really charming as hell!)
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Post by shadowhawke on May 29, 2011 3:55:21 GMT 1
A Horse Like Barney I think is older, no wait. That's the sequel to the other book about Barney. I liked the ones by Alison Lester, them were good. The Willow King books, and the Christian ones.... series about racing and one about showjumping. Haven't read'em, just know their out there. Pony books are actually hard to find now days, at least for me. Very few at my local library. They don't even have the complete set of Black Stallion books. At bookstores you have to hunt for any pony book... The Phantom Stallion was the last easy to find pony book for me.
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Post by Claire on May 29, 2011 13:24:03 GMT 1
Susan I think you could be right about how we feel about the 1990s. There has always been a much healthier attitude to horse stories in America than here. Just think of all the horse books which have been made into mainstream films in the USA, Black Stallion, Misty and other Marguerite Henry books, the Mary O'Hara books, National Velvet....the list goes on! But thats a whole area of discussion in itself!
Some great nominations folks, and to think I thought they may not be enough for a poll. Well perhaps if we took 2000 as the cut off date it would get a lot harder!
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Post by susanb on May 29, 2011 15:25:23 GMT 1
shadowhawke, I think it probably depends on where you are in the country as to how hard it is to find horse books in libraries/bookstores. Also just how good the librarians/store managers are at tailoring what they have on the shelves to the tastes of their customers!
I'm in suburban Massachusetts....about an hour from Boston, and horse books seem to do fairly well here. My local Barnes and Noble (to you in the UK, think Waterstones....same type of store), often has new hardcover horse books on the shelves....I first learned of The Perfect Distance by Kim Ablon Whitney by seeing it on the "new releases for teens" shelf!
Re your library.....do they do inter library loan? If they do, you might be able to get a lot of the books on this list to read that way, because they'd be in the system somewhere! Sometimes libraries take requests too, for book purchases...after all, that's how they learn what their patrons are interested in reading. (Of course, these days with the budget cuts, towns are lucky if they've got a library and a librarian, let alone enough left over to buy new books....sigh)
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Post by susanb on May 29, 2011 15:28:55 GMT 1
Claire, re the attitude towards horse stories in America...I think it's because the horse is seen as a work animal here, rather than as an elite symbol. The masses are down on elite symbols here too, the horse just doesn't happen to be one of them.
On the film/book "whole other list"....how 'bout it? Top 10 film adaptations!! (Hey, you opened that can of worms yourself! ;D ;D ;D)
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Post by shadowhawke on May 29, 2011 17:27:40 GMT 1
Susan... my library charges for book holds... I think it was .75 to hold a book for you.... I'd hate to find out what they charge for an inter library loan..... They just remolded got a whole new library, and the children's librarian just retired. Moved to Hawaii. Iliked her too, she was a major bookworm......
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Post by susanb on May 29, 2011 18:27:00 GMT 1
Gah! I was afraid that might be the case. I know some libraries have been charging for things...mine isn't, but that could change at any minute, because the budget has been slashed for the upcoming year. Forget cutting to the bone, they've already done that...now they're going for amputation It's just so wrong.....no politician would dare to say "I'm anti-education", but they lump libraries in with what they call "culture and recreation". Hello? When someone reads a book in school, it's education, but when they check the SAME book out of the library, it's "recreation".
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Post by Claire on May 29, 2011 20:47:09 GMT 1
They charge over here too. I think its gone up to 75p to reserve a book and when I asked about an inter library loan from a library outside the county of North Yorkshire, was told it was £3.00!!! I said don't bother I'll buy it on ebay for cheaper! On the film/book "whole other list"....how 'bout it? Top 10 film adaptations!! (Hey, you opened that can of worms yourself! ;D ;D ;D) Re this...sigh...made a rod for my own back. What with a top 10 for film adaptations and some of the others wanting top 10s for each popular author's books, we'll be on forever with these flippin top 10s ;D
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Post by garej on May 30, 2011 11:01:37 GMT 1
They charge over here too. I think its gone up to 75p to reserve a book and when I asked about an inter library loan from a library outside the county of North Yorkshire, was told it was £3.00!!! I said don't bother I'll buy it on ebay for cheaper! Our library's charges are more complicated. If you want to request/reserve an item and it is in the library's own stock, then it is free. If you want an item, and they dont have it, then they may purchase it for their own stock. In this case it will cost you £1.20 (free if you are an child). If has to be borrowed from another county's library then it will cost you £2.
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Post by Claire on May 30, 2011 12:56:48 GMT 1
Not as bad as my library garej, altho its to be expected as our council charges top dollar for everything If they have it in their own library and just waiting for someone who has it out to return it, its disgraceful that they charge, as ours do. They dont even send letters to the person who has it out telling them to bring it back any more (all done on computer accounts) so they cant even say they have to pay for postage and stationery.
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Post by shadowhawke on May 30, 2011 21:22:13 GMT 1
£3.00?? For a inter library loan??
I don't know what it is American, but it sounds like way to much.
I miss the good ole days when you could get a book for free from the library regards of where it was coming from.
That's how I read Dorothy Lynns,,, inter library loans.
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Post by Claire on May 30, 2011 21:29:54 GMT 1
I think its about $5 shadowhawke and you are right it is way too much
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Post by Claire on Jun 12, 2011 12:07:56 GMT 1
Hi folks - this section is actually so big I have decided to chop it up into 2 sections: 1990s and 2000 onwards, and do a poll for each one. We could maybe have a 'final' between the top ones. Here is the shortlist. If you have any more please add in the next day or 2 as I will be putting up the polls shortly:
1990S
A JOB WITH HORSES - JPT THE LONG RIDE HOME - DPT BARGAIN HORSES - GILLIAN BAXTER KESTRELS SERIES - PAT LEITCH RIDERS SERIES - SAM ALEXANDER HOLLYWELL STABLES - SAME ALEXANDER BLIND BEAUTY - K M PEYTON THE SCRUFFY PONY - K M PEYTON THE GREAT HORSE RESCUE - JANE AYRES THE PONY SWAP - PAMELA KAVANAGH IF WISHES WERE HORSE - VIRGINIA VAIL SECOND BEST PONY - MARY SHARP THE MOST BEAUTIFUL HORSE IN THE WORLD aka CARA'S DREAM - DIANE REDMOND THE GREY GHOST - CAROLYN HENDERSON SANDY LANE STABLES - MICHELLE BATES AGAINST THE ODDS - SUSAN MILLARD MOUSIE & ABBY SERIES - SHELLEY PETERSON BATTLECRY FOREVER - JOANNA CAMPBELL STAR OF SHADOWBROOKE FARM - JOANNA CAMPBELL A HORSE LIKE BARNEY - JESSIE HAAS BEWARE THE MARE SERIES - JESSIE HAAS UNBROKEN - JESSIE HAAS I RODE A HORSE OF MILK WHITE JADE - DIANE LEE WILSON THE QUICKSAND PONY - ALISON LESTER GIB SERIES - ZILPHA KEATLEY SNYDER THE FIRST HORSE I SEE - SALLY KEEHN THE DARK HORSE - JENNY HUGHES A HORSE BY ANY OTHER NAME - JENNY HUGHES PERFECT PONIES TRILOGY (FAITH, HOPE & CHARITY) - LUCY DANIELS POLLY SERIES - WENDY DOUTHWAITE (1ST ONE IS 1989 BUT AS MOST OF THE SERIES IS IN 1990S I'LL INCLUDE IT!) CONNEMARA TRILOGY - ANNE HENNING THE RED HORSE HAUNTING - ANNE WIGLEY
2000S
SMALL GAINS - K M P PEYTON PONY IN THE DARK - K M PEYTON ROMAN PONY SERIES - K M PEYTON EXMOOR SERIES - VICTORIA EVELEIGH MIDNIGHT ON LUNDY - VICTORIA EVELEIGH THE HORSE ON THE BALCONY - JANE AYRES TRANSITIONS - JANE AYRES SADDLE ISLAND SERIES - SHARON SIAMON HORSE ANGEL SERIES - ANGELA DORSEY FREEDOM - ANGELA DORSEY WINTER OF THE CRYSTAL DANCES - ANGELA DORSEY GREEN HORSE TRILOGY - ISOLDE PULLUM BRAZEN HORSE - ISOLDE PULLUM CIRCLE OF BLUE - ELEANOR JONES THE GHOST HORSE OF MEADOW GREEN - A L MACDONALD SHELBY SERIES - ALYSSA BRUGMAN DIAMOND SPIRIT SERIES - KAREN WOOD TAKING FLIGHT - SHEENA WILKINSON NOBODY'S HORSE aka THE GEORGES AND THE JEWELS - JANE SMILEY THE PERFECT DISTANCE - KIM ABLON WHITNEY BIRD SERIES (SUNDANCE/MYSTERY SADDLE CREEK) - SHELLEY PETERSON THE SNOW PONY - ALISON LESTER CHASE - JESSIE HAAS JAS SERIES (SHAHOW HORSE/WHIRLWIND) - ALISON HART TO RIDE THE GOD'S OWN STALLION, BLACK STORM COMIN, FIREHORSE, RAVENSPEAK - DIANE LEE WILSON DREAMCATCHER - PAMELA KAVANAGH
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Post by haffyfan on Jun 12, 2011 14:31:35 GMT 1
I've just ordered first two with a waterstones gift card i got for my birthday but Jane Badger speaks highly of Janet rising's pony whisperer series so maybe they are ones to add to 2000's.
I also enjoyed the sequel to Nobody's horse Secret horse by Jane Smiley - another new release in UK
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Post by Claire on Jun 15, 2011 12:07:03 GMT 1
Thought of another one to add to 1990s - Pony in Distress by CPT. Added polls now so dont forget to vote.
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