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Post by kunuma on Mar 3, 2011 21:41:56 GMT 1
OK folks, this is for my own interest and completely non horsy really (sorry Claire) but sparked by a conversation I had when I corrected the use of Mrs to Ms, and was then lectured about being a divorcee, (at which point I really had to say that I have always used Ms as I don't believe in being labelled as anyone's property) and all bar one of my friends, married or single are Ms's - but thought I'd get a few more opinions.
Claire if this isn't suitable remove it and yell at me!! ;D
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Post by Claire on Mar 3, 2011 22:00:12 GMT 1
Of course its OK its in the general section I have a bit of a thing about this tbh. I am always Ms and if I find a form to fill in where there is no option for Ms I get really annoyed. I don't think its anyones business whether a person is married or not, there should only be Ms for women just as there is only Mr for men. Just another example of prejudice against women in our society. Haha bet you hadnt asked now kunuma ;D Who on earth was lecturing you about being divorced, how rude!
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Post by kunuma on Mar 3, 2011 22:05:46 GMT 1
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Post by Claire on Mar 3, 2011 22:28:12 GMT 1
Words fail me!!! But it just proves the sort of things we have to put up with, with this stupd Miss, Mrs or Ms thing. I cannot believe in this day and age that anyone would be offended by Ms! Sounds like someone out of a Jane Austen novel! BTW you havent voted in your own poll
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Post by Buster on Mar 3, 2011 23:31:25 GMT 1
I don't really understand the whole 'Ms' thing. Isn't Mrs for married women, and Miss for unmarried? Whats Ms for? Help! Do I need to change my title?! Ms sounds much more cool.
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Post by Claire on Mar 3, 2011 23:49:40 GMT 1
Mysteryarab, Ms is a title for anyone female whether they are married or not. Labelling a woman through her marital status is completely wrong. We dont do it for men, and so shouldnt for women either as it is completely sexist and frankly in my opinion degrading. So I would encourage you to change it to Ms! ;D
Up the feminists! ;D
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Post by susanb on Mar 4, 2011 0:20:19 GMT 1
In the US, it's virtually uniformly Ms., at least in the business world (unless the woman has other letters to use, like Dr. or Lt. Col. or Senator )
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Post by jinglerebel on Mar 4, 2011 1:06:54 GMT 1
Ms. It's nobody's business if you're married, just as males are always Mister, married or not, and Miss is often used to demean adult women. Plenty of women with partners and children have either chosen not to marry and thus have their own surnames, or have married but not taken their husband's surname, so it would be incorrect to address them as Mrs. Elderly women can be offended though if they aren't addressed as Mrs - my now departed gran was embarrassed that the electric co. sent bills to her as 'Miss', although she was a widow. She used to say "The postie must think I'm a crookin' old miss" but when she complained they said it was in the computer and too much hassle to change it . All the women in my other gran's nursing home have Mrs on their door nameplate and I'm sure they would be horrified at Ms . Times change.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2011 8:45:16 GMT 1
I haven't voted because I've been both Ms and Mrs and don't mind either if I'm honest. Sorry.
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Post by Buster on Mar 4, 2011 13:30:55 GMT 1
Well I voted Miss, but then i'm not married, and wont be anytime in the near future, at least I don't plan to be! I thought Men were 'Master' before they married, although I dont think any men over the age of 10 use it haha. Personally I don't mind switching from Miss to Mrs, if I ever marry.
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Post by Claire on Mar 4, 2011 23:02:17 GMT 1
Apologies to kunuma for deleting her post. Thats what I get for trying to do many things at once. Feel free to post it again if you can remember what you said!
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Post by haffyfan on Mar 4, 2011 23:05:29 GMT 1
when you work with littlies you answer to anything (never been called nanan yet but my friend (who is younger than me) has! I get miss, Mrs, occasional Mr (doesn't help that i share same surname as a male member of staff on this one that confuzzles them on all counts - is he your husband (urggg), your dad (no better)), Called mum several times a day and of course 'oi' crops up now and again and poking, proding and [often 'enthusiatic'] patting are par de course I prefer Ms if i'm honest and choose this option myself but i'm miss for work and on some bank cards etc as they date from being a teen
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Post by trixiepony on Mar 5, 2011 12:14:17 GMT 1
Well I don't really mind I have been miss and plan to stay that way, ( I have probably jinx my self now).
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Post by garej on Mar 5, 2011 18:17:32 GMT 1
Like trixiepony, I have always been a Miss, and like trixiepony will stay that way (3 bad engagements tells me I am not getting married soon!).
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Post by kunuma on Mar 5, 2011 22:29:13 GMT 1
Well that is very interesting, if surprising, as I didn't think anyone would vote for Miss, I thought it was extinct - I am shocked at you Mysteryarab I think we need Emily Pankhurst back!!
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Post by Claire on Mar 5, 2011 22:59:42 GMT 1
Well that is very interesting, if surprising, as I didn't think anyone would vote for Miss, I thought it was extinct - I am shocked at you Mysteryarab I think we need Emily Pankhurst back!! I agree! What has happened to all the feminists? I have a feeling us girls are losing the battle ( EDIT - the battle against discrimination not against men lol). The Americans seem a lot more enlightened than us brits.
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Post by jinglerebel on Mar 6, 2011 0:46:09 GMT 1
But MysteryArab, what if your husband's surname is Dulbottle? ;D
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Post by trixiepony on Mar 6, 2011 11:48:17 GMT 1
quote author=admin board=general thread=1223 post=20330 time=1299362382] Well that is very interesting, if surprising, as I didn't think anyone would vote for Miss, I thought it was extinct - I am shocked at you Mysteryarab I think we need Emily Pankhurst back!! I agree! What has happened to all the feminists? I have a feeling us girls are losing the battle. The Americans seem a lot more enlightened than us brits.[/quote] I don't know I never thourt of it as a battle , we are girl's thy are boy's I don't wont to compet with them, I don't see it as a bad thing to let them fell like big strong men when thy get my car going for me I have no idea about cars.
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Post by Claire on Mar 6, 2011 12:18:55 GMT 1
I didnt mean the battle against men ;D I meant the battle against discrimination. I phrased it badly. I am not a feminist who thinks woman are better than men. I just think we are still, even in the 21st century, classed as second class citizens - in fact I think it is going backwards if anything. This Miss or Mrs thing is one of the many things that discriminates against women.
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Post by susanb on Mar 6, 2011 21:07:11 GMT 1
Sadly, discrimination against women still exists everywhere, including in the US.
While women have moved into virtually every profession, they are STILL making an average of 75 cents to every dollar (that's 100 cents) that a man makes for doing the same job!
And yes, I too think a lack of feminism in the younger generation of women is both pronounced and a contributing factor to the problem.
A Yale study of the voting patterns in the US Congress made a surprising discovery: the members who voted most consistantly in FAVOR of bills that supported women's rights weren't women, they were MEN WITH DAUGHTERS.
Imagine how much further along we'd be if women were comfortable with sticking up for their own d*mn rights!!!
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Post by trixiepony on Mar 7, 2011 1:59:11 GMT 1
OK the discrimination in the wages is sum thing to sing and dance about, but shorely we don't have to make every thing a battle.
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Post by Claire on Mar 7, 2011 14:42:02 GMT 1
Ironically one of the few things that women were positively discriminated for (and I dispute it was discrimination!) - lower car insurance premiums - has now been judged illegal by the European Courts. So women are going to be facing higher insurance policies to make them more equal with men's. Hmm funny how they are not going to bring mens down to meet ours but the other way round But as I said earlier I dispute the fact they were discriminating against men by charging us less as it is statistically proven that we have less accidents and are safer drivers. What are they going to do next say its ageist to let older more experienced drivers pay less than teenagers! Not sure what the situation is with car insurance in the US and Australia, but over here we girlies are going to see ours rise
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Post by shadowhawke on Mar 7, 2011 18:14:13 GMT 1
I am a Ms.... I will stay that way until George Eads(Nick Stockes, CSI: Las Vegas) decides that he needs me more than the bimbo he's with.
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Post by Buster on Mar 7, 2011 18:34:05 GMT 1
Well... in my defence i'm still a teenager, and I don't know many teenagers who are 'Mrs' or 'Ms'. I just roll with it If his name was Dulbottle then he'd probs be greatful if I suggest he takes my name
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Post by susanb on Mar 8, 2011 20:48:28 GMT 1
Kunuma, thought you might be interested in this...it's Women's History Day here in the US (and, for that matter, Women's History Month), and Time magazine has put together brief profiles of what they're calling History's 16 Most Rebellious Women, Pankhurst included. They picked representatives from a wide array of countries and eras....most of the UK and US women are at the top of the list, so you'll need to click thorugh to get to them. www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,2057714_2251980,00.html
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Post by kunuma on Mar 8, 2011 23:27:01 GMT 1
Thanks Susan, I got carried away reading all the stories on that link, there is one about cats and women Claire! ;D ;D Know what you mean - I have a serious crush on a 'mad scientist' (Brian Cox) at the mo - but I'm not keen on the idea of being Mrs Cox though!! I am 'flabbergasted' by this, as Frankie Howerd would say, my flabber has never been so gasted!! Does that mean that today's teenagers use Miss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I though that went out in my grandmother's time! Oh well, alright, my mother's anyway!
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Post by foxglove on May 27, 2011 11:34:55 GMT 1
Kunuma, I have a total crush on Prof Brian too. Smart AND sexy.
I'm afraid many people associate Ms with rabid feminazis, which is a shame, as there is nothing extreme or aggresive about using a female version of Mr. It's a pity it's such a blunt sounding word. I shall remain a Ms whether I marry or not; I never want to be Mrs Somebody Else's Name. All but one of my friends who've married have changed their name, I find this surprising and I still list them in my address book under their "real name".
I work in a very international environment, and routinely get called Mrs Surname. I think this is simply because this is the default title foreign students are taught when learning English. I resist the urge to reply "sorry, my mother's not here." One day I will do a PhD and be called Dr which would make life easier.
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Post by Claire on Jul 21, 2011 11:49:14 GMT 1
Applied for a PC world account as I wanted to buy something online from them and on the 'title' section they did not have an option for Ms!!!! What century are they living in? Feel like emailig them to complain.
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