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Post by Claire on May 16, 2010 12:42:25 GMT 1
Hi all, am trying to do some research about various pony annuals and have hit a stumbling block on the Princess ones. Does anyone have any of these? Also does anyone know it they are the same 'run' of annual. In the 1960s there were a few produced called the Princess Pony Book, these seemed to die out and about 1970 the Princess Tina Book appeared. Both were published by Fleetway. It seems possible they were a continuation with the name changed but I am not 100% sure. I need some sort of 'missing link' between the two! So I am especially keen to find any from the late 1960s if you have them.
BTW the early ones were pretty good they had lots of stories in them and some good illustrators like Geoffrey Whittam. I have some scans, if anyone is interested will post in the members section.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2010 13:03:37 GMT 1
I have a princess Tina pony Book from 1978 but nothing earlier I'm afraid.
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Post by haffyfan on May 16, 2010 13:55:48 GMT 1
Jane Badger has been doing a lot of research on annuals lately so may be able to help you out.
I have a few pony mag annuals (ones with caroline Akrill stories mainly) and I collect the early pony Club Annuals (which became Pony Club books at no 6 to 12) but I prefer the 50/60's smaller more book format ones rather than the 70's onwards which take on the more 'traditional' annual appearance/format. I had a princess tina one as a kid...yellow cover bay pony's head and girl drawn on it but my mum would ahve chucked it out!
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Post by Claire on May 16, 2010 21:05:44 GMT 1
Thanks haffy I have done quite a bit of research on a lot of other pony annuals but the Princess one remains elusive in terms of info about it. I have got quite a lot of pony club and pony mag annuals from when I was a kid but I somehow missed the Princess Tina ones completely.
Anyway posted one of the stories from one of the early 1960s Princess Books on the members only section. They had more stories in than a lot of the pony mag/pony club annuals.
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Post by kunuma on May 17, 2010 12:23:24 GMT 1
I found one this morning in the only (very tiny) second hand book shop for miles, closing down now of course I just had to get it with Claire's research in mind - though I drew the line at paying the £6 it was up for! But it is from 1973, so probably not that useful
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Post by Claire on May 17, 2010 21:57:08 GMT 1
As Rosie commented on the format in another thread I said I would post pics here. Here is a pic Princess Pony Book 3 (1964) as can be seen they are in 'landscape' format rather than the usual annual shape. Chose this one as I know rosie likes a giggle at the big baggy jods What I have found out so far is that there are Princess Pony Books 1, 2, 3 from 1962-1964 then nothing then the Princess Tina Pony Book appears in 1969 (published in 1968). So need to know if anything in between.
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Post by kunuma on May 17, 2010 23:33:59 GMT 1
What/who was Princess Tina??? I take it not the Nutbush City Limits one?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2010 7:08:54 GMT 1
Lovely Jods!
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Post by Claire on May 18, 2010 10:40:51 GMT 1
Not sure who the Tina was but pretty sure it wasn't Miss Turner! ;D
I think I am getting somewhere with the research. In the 1960s there were annuals called The Princess Gift Book, it had a couple of spin-offs, a ballet series and the pony series as per above. In 1969 the Princess Tina annual appeared, the early ones had the same cover style, title lettering as the Princess books, so it can be assumed they were the from the same group of annuals. Princess Tina also had pony and ballet spin offs. To add to the evidence I have just found a pic of the 1969 Princess Tina Pony Book which has exactly the same title lettering as the annual I have pictured above. So I think I can assume they ARE the same annual. But why they added the Tina remains a mystery, probably just some unfathomable marketing decision.
BTW rosie and kunuma did the 1978 and 1973 annuals have stories in?
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2010 12:28:32 GMT 1
Yes, the 78 has two stories in it, but it doesn't say who wrote them which is a shame.
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Post by beswickcollector on May 18, 2010 19:31:08 GMT 1
I am old enough to remember the Princess comic which came out about 1960. It was one of the first childrens comics with a shiny paper and real photographs, much better quality than the Dandy and Beano of the time. The comics always had an article about dogs and ponies by Barbara Woodhouse and a photographic page about a girl learning to ride, very basic stuff like how to dismount, or how to rise to the trot. There was a school story and a story about a girl who kept her horse in the town. I had the early annuals once and they had articles by Pat Smythe and one had a lovely poem about an old horse called Sam. Princess Tina came out later and was either a revamp of Princess or possibly for younger readers
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Post by Claire on May 18, 2010 19:34:55 GMT 1
Thanks for the info beswickcollector. Interesting to know it was also a comic. I wonder how long the comic went on for as I can't remember it at all.
Oh thanks rosie, too. I wonder if the stories were by that Cecily Danby as she seemed to write most of them in the 1960s ones.
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Post by kunuma on May 18, 2010 21:43:32 GMT 1
The 73 one has stories and articles - like Rosie's no authors or credits given. One article is very sad depressing and violent and quite unsuitable for children - it made me wish I hadn't read it! Good article describing Tschiffeleys ride though, and two beautiful paintings at both ends, one of mustangs by a Rico Tomaso Interesting article on the white horses cut into the hills of the chilterns.
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Post by foxglove on May 21, 2010 15:16:47 GMT 1
Are those baggy johds what are known as "breeches" (pronunced britches) that were common in the 50s? I remember the illustrations in some of my Jill books had them.
I remember getting a Mandy annual a couple of times when I was young- we always got at least one annual for Christmas. Some of the stories were very good; one was so memorable and striking that I recall it vividly- it was set in a distopian future of anarchy and food shortages, with a girl and her younger brother and sister trying to find their dad, who was a freedom fighter. The little girl had a handful of seeds hidden in her doll, as they were so precious. A bit different to the boarding school high jinks of the Four Marys in Bunty....
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Post by Claire on May 22, 2010 12:58:35 GMT 1
Ooh I remember the Mandy and Bunty annuals, also there was once called Judy too. They had some quite good stories in them. Annuals were a very popular Christmas present when I was a child. Everyone seemed to get them.
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Post by williamcoadie on May 22, 2010 18:18:03 GMT 1
Hi, I have all the Princess Tina annuals from No1 to 1982, which I think was the last one. I can get photos of all the covers if that would be of any help?
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Post by Claire on May 22, 2010 19:30:36 GMT 1
Hi williamcoadie, wow nice collection! I have pics of most of the annuals but am missing a few so if you could do those for me it would be fantastic! Also I will probably be pestering you for other details Just off to check which pics i need and will get back to you. EDIT Its the 1970, 1972 and 1982 Princess Tina annuals I need pics of, if you would be so kind as to do those for me, williamcodie x
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Post by williamcoadie on May 23, 2010 19:00:35 GMT 1
No problem, I'll get this done in the next couple of days. Would you like details of the contents too?
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Post by Claire on May 23, 2010 19:25:48 GMT 1
That would be great thank you! Yes, if you have time I would love some scans of the content pages for some of the annuals, or alternatively you could just describe what stories are in some of them if thats easier. I dont have any of the annuals to hand now, as the ones I did have I have sold or lost!
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Post by williamcoadie on May 24, 2010 18:39:39 GMT 1
Right , I have pix of the covers. I can't do a scan of the contents pages as I don't have a scanner!! I'll list them for you though. This is the 1970 copy, although it doesn't have a date on the cover or spine: Contents as follows: The Spanish Horses of Vienna, The Pony Nobody Wanted (story, but author not credited)The Horse In The Grey Flannel Suit, They Love Horses In Ireland, Horses in Other Lands, You and Your Horse (cartoon), Horses Of The Camargue, Two Thoroughbreds (painting), You and Your Horse (cartoon), The Foal (poem), Horse Breaking, Free as the Wind (Dartmoor ponies), Heroes on Horseback, Horses in History, Horse and Carriage, Horses in Legend, Barge Horses, Horses of the Queen's Guard, Three Wishes (poem), The Racehorse That Wouldn't Run (story, author not credited), Bygone days, Horses of Tomorrow, Easter Parade (poem), The Donkey, Thrills on Horseback. Next is the 1972 edition: Contents: Show Jumping, Well Dressed Horses, Travelling Around Ireland, When Greek Met Greek (Alexander the Great), Horses of Portugal, Making Hay, The Milkman's Horse, Donkey Days, Hester and the Highwaymen (story,author not credited), It's Tradition in Canada, Under the Spreading Chestnut Tree (the smithy), Festival of Seville, It's Cold Outside (keeping a horse outside), Why Horses Canter, When East Met West, The First Horsemen, Pegasus and I (poem), Horses in Films, How to Win in the Show Ring, Twenty Questions (quiz), Aussies Know Good Horses, A Lion Is Loose (story, author not credited), Camera Shy (poem), Nursery For Winners, A Horse Called Gracie, Beauty and Power. The 1982 edition: Contents: The Falabella, The Lord Mayor's Show, Home From Derby Day, A Little Girl With Big Ambitions (wonderful pic of a girl with her extensive collection of Julips!!), The Arab's Farewell To His Steed (poem), GiGi (cartoon strip), Round and About With Horses, Candy and Mandy (cartoon strip), The Calgary Stampede, Horseback Commuter, Black Beauty (cartoon strip of the book), You and Your Horse (cartoon), Paul Revere's Ride, A Kind of Horse, Heroine on Horseback, A Holiday For Miss Marples (story, author not credited), John Peel, State Occasions, The Courage Shire Horse Centre. Phew! Think that's it!
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Post by Claire on May 25, 2010 12:29:52 GMT 1
That is fantastic thanks for all your hard work! I wonder why the number of stories was drastically chopped in the Tina books. In the first three Princess Pony Books there were loads of stories but when it changed to Tina they all seemed to only have a couple.
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Post by Claire on May 26, 2010 19:04:38 GMT 1
Thanks for everyone's input. I have finished the section on Princess pony annuals which has enabled me to complete the annual section. If anyone would like a peek it's here: ponyannuals.ponymadbooklovers.co.uk/
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2010 20:19:12 GMT 1
Very interesting Claire
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Post by Claire on May 26, 2010 20:58:33 GMT 1
Thanks Rosie, the only trouble with all this research on annuals is I want to start collecting them now!!!
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Post by Dawn T on Jul 5, 2014 17:40:52 GMT 1
Hi,
Am doing some sorting out of old books and came across this chat forum a bit belatedly i.e. 4 yrs later! If you r still interested I think I may have the missing link, a Princess Tina Pony Book published by IPC magazines Ltd, Fleetway House in 1970.There is no date on the front cover which is different from the slightly later ones? rare. Also have a lot of pony paper books from childhood if anybody interested, my Friend Flicka etc. Hope u get this
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Post by vera on Jul 5, 2014 22:48:00 GMT 1
Not sure about this, but I vaguely remember there were two magazines out. Princess and Tina. Then they combined, which is why you would have the Princess Tina annual. I think Tina was aimed at a slightly older audience. My sister and I would buy the occasional magazine but never the annuals.
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Post by Claire on Jul 6, 2014 13:42:20 GMT 1
Hi all thanks for latest the information. I have done the Princess web page but I think that the fact there were 2 comics which were later combined is telling. It would explain the difference in names. There still seem to be a few years with no Princess pony annual. So if anyone finds anything from 1965 to 1967 I would be most interested! But I have a feeling there was nothing published then.
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Post by fizz on Jul 23, 2014 23:16:43 GMT 1
What is so sad, violent and depressing about the short story Kumana? Had the one before and my cousin had most of them but I don't remember anything like that.
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Post by cloud on Jul 24, 2014 13:56:48 GMT 1
What is so sad, violent and depressing about the short story Kumana? Had the one before and my cousin had most of them but I don't remember anything like that. Well I can't remember now - I'll have to go and find the book, but I think it was about horses in war with quite unnecessary details of how the horses were killed.
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