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Post by zoe on Apr 27, 2009 11:06:16 GMT 1
I am a terrible mum Daisy has got laminitis poor baby! She was lying down in the field and didn't get up when I walked over (alarm bells!) so I put her headcollar on and got her to move and, yes, one stiff, tippity pony. I am very cross with myself!
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Post by snowfilly on Apr 27, 2009 13:00:20 GMT 1
Oh, no, poor you! Has the vet been yet?
Give her a hug from me - that's about the only thing she's allowed, I dare say - and fingers crossed everything's alright soon.
Keep us posted
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 27, 2009 13:04:28 GMT 1
Oh no,Zoe poor poor you and poor poor Daisy having been there you have my deepest sympthay....it is just soul destroying. Kunuma has a lami pony too I am at work now but please pm me/email me if you need a shoulder to cry on etc. All I can say is it's terrible and you think it will never get better but it does and they can live out and have a normal life aftrewards if you are careful with them.
Big big hugs......one more thing have the x rays done...it's costly but the only way to know what damage has been done and how to start trimming to rectify it.....so many people skimp on this (sorry skimp is wrong word really) because of cost but it's vital. Google Robert eustace and on his lami clinic site their is loads of advice, a helpline and you can read/download his book which is what got me through Murphs...oh and a bloody good farrier/vet team
Will be back on late evening.
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Post by kunuma on Apr 27, 2009 15:46:29 GMT 1
yep - both ones here are laminitic. The mare was as bad as I have ever seen a horse, and I never want to see one that bad again - she was an extreme case, inverted pedal bones, the lot - that is why although she isn't mine I hover over her like an idiot - she won't survive a second time. I don't know so much about the pony - I would say she had several bouts of low grade lami - she has white line disease, dropped soles, you name it = plus non stop abcesses! BUT - that is all the bad side of it - (sorry zoe,) the GOOD part is that both of them are happy and enjoying life - you have caught it straight off and that is the most important thing! There is a yahoo list called the metabolic horse which goes into it all in tremendous depth, but does explain (and thus give you more choice) all the various treatments like ACP and pergolide that some vets use. Thinking of you and her -fingers crossed!
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Post by sarah on Apr 27, 2009 18:39:18 GMT 1
Poor you - but as other posts they can get through it. My stables lent a pony to a stud farm once (for a long forgotten reason) and he was returned with terrible laminitis - it was touch and go for a while - but he came through and lived a long, happy and busy live with lots of jumping out of the field!
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Post by Claire on Apr 27, 2009 20:21:38 GMT 1
I'm so sorry Zoe for you and Daisy. I haven't any advice as I never had the problem with any of 'mine' thank God but I will leave that to the experts (haffy and kunuma) anyway. But I will be giving my support from afar. Lots of hugs for you and Daisy x
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Post by Buster on Apr 27, 2009 20:54:42 GMT 1
Mine is laminitic too Get the farrier out too, he always trims their hooves back. Im not quite sure how this helps.... but it always seems to work. I hope she gets better soon. I blame this new spring grass!
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Post by trixiepony on Apr 28, 2009 11:50:11 GMT 1
Oh pore you zoe your pore horse, I don't have a horse but the RDA horse I ride gets laminitis if my RDA teacher dusn't realy woch her.
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Post by zoe on Apr 28, 2009 19:43:37 GMT 1
Thanks guys you've made me cry but in a good way - I'm quite emotional about it. Apparently she's got a mild case and the farrier has been to trim her toes. I'm just stuck in limbo now waiting for her to get better. I just feel so guilty she has got it and then I feel guilty about feeling guilty when she's the one suffering - I just hope the bute is good stuff! I have given her the hugs you sent and she said "thank you" but I'm sure she whispered "what no treats?" under her breath!!!!!!! So it's fingers crossed now but she does seem a bit better so I'm hopeful
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 28, 2009 20:27:08 GMT 1
Glad it's looking hopeful...has she been given ACP as well?
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Post by zoe on Apr 28, 2009 20:38:26 GMT 1
No what's ACP? vet didn't mention that - I'm a bit scared of reading up on lami incase of scary pics
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 28, 2009 21:02:51 GMT 1
ACP (acepromazine) sp! is a sedative but also inhibits constriction of the blood vessels so improves blood supply to the lamaniae. It will also encourage the horse to lay down and take the weight off his painful feet and can help reduce the stress levels (Murph dosen't do being stabled so lived in a small pen around the field shelter).
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 28, 2009 21:06:43 GMT 1
This site is a godsend/Robert Eustace needs elevating to a god like status for his dedication to researching laminitis. www.laminitisclinic.org/
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Post by kunuma on Apr 28, 2009 21:30:25 GMT 1
Yes, there is no escaping it, pretty soon you will have read all this and become the typical totally paranoid laminitic horse owner! You will join us all in trying to keep horses on grass when they mustn't eat:- short grass long grass grass that has had frost on it grass that has had sunlight on it grass that has had rain and sunlight on it grass that has had frost on it but now it is raining Rye grass Clover fertilized grass overgrazed non fertilized grass Any sort of horse food for ordinary horses that isn't approved by the laminitis trust I could go on - but I won't!! Seriously - I go out every day to them with a weigh tape - it is just ridiculous!!
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Post by haffyfan on Apr 28, 2009 21:42:52 GMT 1
No I weigh tape daily too Kunuma. Only feed alfa beet and Hi fi lite now (actually fed this before but also used readi grass in winter) and yes you become totally paranoid. This stuff is ace...(plus my first pony came via Paula as my mum used to work for her parents when she had left school)... it's not widely known of I don't think but is within south yorks etc www.wrhorsesupplies.com/page4.htm
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Post by zoe on Apr 28, 2009 21:47:37 GMT 1
Yikes was already paranoid and constantly getting the weigh tape out! Haffy and Kunuma you are a huge help having gone through it (hope this works computer keeps crashing when I write stuff)
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Post by zoe on Apr 30, 2009 9:27:48 GMT 1
Daisy is a lot better today - I feel like I've been holding my breath for the last couple of days! I can't believe how scary it is, my pony had lami when I was a kid but don't remember much about it. Poor Daisy looked gutted when I took Sky out for a walk last night hopefully she will carry on getting better as I have got a plan for her when she is well.
Edited to say I am giving you all a karma to show my appreciation (hope that's allowed as I think it is deserved!)
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Post by kunuma on Apr 30, 2009 10:57:29 GMT 1
It sounds like a mild case Zoe, thank goodness. I've been reading all this latest stuff from the barefoot people about shoeing restricting blood flow in the feet - all the horses I have known with lami were actually shod at the time they started with it - but then until recently most were anyway. However once it starts to get to the stage of having your forage analyzed every five minutes and worrying about levels of iron and magnesium in hay - I wonder how we ever get our horses to old age!
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Post by Buster on Apr 30, 2009 23:00:17 GMT 1
I think mines gonna get it soon, if he carries on the way hes going... I moved him to a nice field as it was getting so warm (but fenced a pretty large bit off for him of course seeing as hes prone to laminitus) and the cheeky thing just rams through it all the time, and gallops off with the others in the big field. I have to put him in his stable at night now, and keep going to check hes not escaped 24/7. Hes only been there 2 days and every day when im back from school hes escaped... these ponies are so greedy! He gets so bored inside in the day, but I cant risk him getting ill! I hope Daisy is getting better
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Post by zoe on May 1, 2009 10:02:32 GMT 1
Daisy is barefoot. Daisy is a typical greedy pony - you should have seen her this morning when I gave her some hay! Luckily I have got a big barn to put her in and her friend has joined her as she is prone to lami too. Have you tried a muzzle mysteryarab? I've tried a couple with Daisy but she always gets them off which is a pain as they're so handy.
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Post by Buster on May 1, 2009 17:55:39 GMT 1
Yes, he can get them off too, hes an escape artist. He escaped again today... I think its electric fence time I must be off to go ride the little devil now!
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Post by haffyfan on May 1, 2009 20:46:28 GMT 1
Murph was barefoot when he had it too Kunuma...sorry to blow that theory for you.
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Post by zoe on May 19, 2009 11:03:18 GMT 1
The other day I took Daisy for a walk around the field (she is sound now but still mainly in) out of sheer luck the first rope I found was a lunge rein so I used that. Just as well, half way down the field she exploded so had to hold the end of the lunge rein while she galloped round like a nutter. I was a bit worried she'd do herself a mischief but there was no stopping her! She was fine after and obviously feeling better so need to start riding her - might be fun as she's v fresh!
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Post by Claire on May 19, 2009 12:39:35 GMT 1
Glad she is feeling better zoe You know they are in good fettle when they start dragging you round on the end of a rope lol
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Post by Buster on May 19, 2009 13:42:27 GMT 1
Aw im so glad shes better
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2009 17:54:41 GMT 1
Glad she has got better from the dreaded laminitis.
Sounds like your going to have some fun riding her.
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Post by sarah on May 19, 2009 19:28:29 GMT 1
Sounds like she is feeling MUCH better - enjoy your first ride!
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Post by haffyfan on May 19, 2009 19:51:20 GMT 1
Glad she's feeling better Zoe, the first time I turned Murph out afterwards (in a muzzle) he raced around for ages too...didn't seem to do any harm...I knew he was ready as he had been leaping around in his pen for a few days previously.
The next step is really hard though...allowing her a bit of grass to eat....she will be fine, but I know how worrying it is!
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Post by kunuma on May 19, 2009 21:30:14 GMT 1
After all this rain this is definitely the real danger time for lami, mine have spent the last three days confined to the starvation paddock! Does anyone have a favourite way of watching for danger signs - with the old mare I kept her much leaner last summer, I made sure I could always feel her ribs, but she started the spring much fatter this year because of all the haylage they ate in the snow! Their bellies get fat really fast, but i try not to let them get that pad which starts behind the shoulder, and not any crest on their neck anyway. It always feels very hit and miss judgement though!
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Post by zoe on May 20, 2009 10:25:05 GMT 1
I'm hoping the farmer who was cutting the hedge across the road was impressed with my superfast lunging (and not laughing at me being unable to control the small fat pony!) Kunuma I find it hard to assess their condition when I see them everyday - I'm not very observant although I swear I can see the grass growing after the weather we've had and I'm sick of lettuce in sandwiches cos I planted too much and it is growing like mad. Lettuce sandwich anyone?
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