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Post by cally on Mar 10, 2010 22:18:08 GMT 1
Just picked up on this thread & funnily enough am reading 'Ride Like the Wind' atm. I only read one Jinny book when I was young and that was the 2nd one 'A Devil to Ride' and the imagery stayed with me for 25 years until I read it again. I did think she was nuts riding such a volatile horse and it actually put me off Arabians for a while, but I've met dozens since then who have been very sweet- we have one at the RDA misnamed 'Wildley' who looks like Shantih but is a lamb. I had hoped to be given a grey Arab mare but it fell through but I wound up with Star so it all was for the best. She was a lovely bareback ride though- all springy yet smooth.
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Post by cally on Mar 10, 2010 22:24:25 GMT 1
Oh- what about Miss Tuke? She's a bit of a cow sometimes, ie. taking Bramble away from a dying Easter. Jinny does have a lot of fair weather 'friends' around her.
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Post by trixiepony on Mar 11, 2010 2:07:08 GMT 1
I have a bit of a love-Hate thing with poor old Jinny, I love the way she love's that horse of her's and that she's a artist she's a scatter brain and has a messy room (I have a messy room when I'm doing a lot of art) but she's a likabule kid. I didn't like the magic and mitholagey in it half the time I expated her to fall throw a rabbit hole, and end up with the mad hatter, twins separated at birth maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 9:14:49 GMT 1
Oh- what about Miss Tuke? She's a bit of a cow sometimes, ie. taking Bramble away from a dying Easter. Jinny does have a lot of fair weather 'friends' around her. I'm actually reading the 2 in 1 of Summer Riders and Night of the red horse at the moment. Miss Tuke is so like the typical stereo-type horsey no-nonsense woman! In Night of the Red Horse she rides Shantih ...oh dear that didn't go well. I've yet to find out if Jinny has to leave shantih with her....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 9:20:19 GMT 1
I didn't like the magic and mitholagey in it half the time I expated her to fall throw a rabbit hole, and end up with the mad hatter, twins separated at birth maybe. That's the stuff that puts me off the books I'm afraid.
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Post by trixiepony on Mar 11, 2010 11:39:31 GMT 1
I like the Horses and People even tho there all most over dun, Jenny's a love abule kid beside that lot, the scerry thing is we can probly name people just like them.
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Post by Claire on Mar 11, 2010 19:43:00 GMT 1
I think the magic and mythology bit does put a lot of people off, but for the most part I like it! I love your idea of Jinny going down the rabbit hole and ending up as Jinny in Wonderland trixiepony ;D Now that could be ripe for a bit of parody
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Post by cally on Mar 11, 2010 22:08:18 GMT 1
I haven't read 'Gallop to the Hills' (is that right?) or 'Night of the Red Horse' and I'm leaving the latter 'til last (not that I have either or even seen them in Oz). **Bit of a break there- cat leapt up on my shoulder for a purry cuddle for a while** I think Night of the.... is going to be the 'worst' re. the mystical blah blah blah which is a weakness in the books. And leaving out words- pronouns especially- annoys.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2010 8:17:55 GMT 1
Just finished reading Night of the Red Horse. Very mystical and magical so I get the feeling you wouldn't like this one, I struggled to finish it but I was detemined to find out if Shantih killed Miss Tuke ;D
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Post by malachi on Apr 20, 2010 2:20:31 GMT 1
I think to really empathize with all of the mystical elements in Pat's books you have to be tuned into them too...if you are reading them for the horsey element alone, you probably wouldn't get out of them what we dreamy hippie types do! My riding is less to be desired- I'm not certain why no-one hasn't as yet suggested to me wearing a "Don't like my riding? Call 0800" placard on my back!!! I am not a fan of horsey books either, but Jinny lives and breathes for me, and the induced trance states she seemingly enters into when drawing or in the guidance of Keziah and The Walker, are for me, very real (as a writer and a pagan). You are being asked to suspend your belief- and as an adult, that isn't as easy as a child....that is what makes the books all the more magical a read; the target audience isn't exactly set in stone and as they are presented as magic realism, they are almost tangible . Jinny herself is perfectly volatile at times, and I've often wondered why she was 'chosen' by the Red Horse to walk the path she does instead of Ken....but it is her humanity and her wildness which was so attractive to me as a 12 year old Celtic warrior queen wannabe!! I strongly agree with the majority of you on the writing front- I have yet to read an author who invokes time and place so breathtakingly and keeps you reeled in like a fish on a wire from the first page to the last- Ms Leitch is probably one of the most talented authors I have ever read. And hats off to her for promoting vegetarian values in the 70's, it's bloody difficult now, I can't imagine how hard it must have been to procure a box of tofu over 30 years ago! Though Ken would undoubtedly have joined the Findhorn Foundation and found a way to grow his own!
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Post by Claire on Apr 20, 2010 12:08:54 GMT 1
Hi malachi and welcome on here Nice to hear a slightly different perspective on the books. How did you get into the Jinny books if you are not a fan of the horsy book per se. Did you also read Pat's other books? I think the supernatural/mystical element is one of the things in the series that really divides opinion amongst readers (along with Jinny's character). Personally I enjoy both. There is no denying that the series is unique in the genre!
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Post by shantiharabian on May 8, 2010 22:27:21 GMT 1
I love the Jinny books! The reason for my love for Arabs! I love her character and the supernatural side too! They are fab! I was 9 when I first got the books, the 3 in one book. I thought it was massive and too hard for me and no pictures! Really glad I read it! I was hooked! I thought the horse sounded like another species. I looked it up in my horse books and new I had seen an Arab before, the movie my mum recorded me! The horse always held his tail up and was very fiery. This film was the black stallion and from then on I was absolutly in love with Arabians!! I loved the jinny books, lived and breathed them. I used to draw too and drew shantih on everything I owned. I used to know the markings off by heart (the Prince of Orange series) I then got my first pony. An Arab x Welsh, totally wild and unhandled apart from worming and other bits but she was so difficult! Hated humans and took me years to tame her! But I did and she was a spit of Shantih in attitude! Staring at things other horses didn't see, running off sudenly then staring out again! I then found out she was the cousen of the horse on the cover (prince of orange) a few pics of my real Shantih (Jasmine)!! But the most amazing thing this book did for me was this!! My dream horse is now with me and her name is Shantih!! Sorry for the long post!!! If it wasn't for those books I wonder what my life would have been like?
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Post by kunuma on May 8, 2010 22:43:30 GMT 1
Thank you for those photo Shantiharabian - lovely lovely Arab mare and from ' proper' crabbet lines too! I loved 'Oranges', and to this day still think that the Count line, (Roland, Dorsaz etc, was very special temperament wise. Your mare is exactly how I pictured the fictional Shantih, even before they used Oranges on the front!
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Post by shantiharabian on May 8, 2010 22:51:39 GMT 1
Thankyou xx Yeah Jasmine is from those count lines I searched high and low to find an Arab that to me, looked like the Arab I imagined Shantih to be! When I got the first pic sent to me from her old owners I knew I had found her even though it took 8 hours to view her!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2010 6:44:10 GMT 1
She's beautiful!
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Post by trixiepony on May 9, 2010 9:06:02 GMT 1
Oh how beautiful, you are lucky what a perfect darling. She is so the way I always imagined Shantih.
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Post by Claire on May 9, 2010 11:47:07 GMT 1
Wow what a stunner! Yes she really IS Shantih I am so jealous ;D Welcome to the forum btw. Always happy to see another Jinny fan on here
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Post by darkhorse on May 9, 2010 15:05:54 GMT 1
Hello shantiharabian. You have a lovely horse, I love arabs too
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Post by rallycairn on Dec 2, 2010 17:11:58 GMT 1
Reviving an old thread as I just found and joined the forum. ShantihArabian, you and your horse look like Shantih and Jinny in the flesh for sure! Beautiful!
Glad to learn something about one of the cover horses. Please help me figure out which one is Prince of Oranges. I have at least 3 editions of various titles, some duplicate titles but I don't have anything like the complete series in all 3 editions, just a hodgepodge.
As best as I can tell, the earliest editions have a dark chestnut with 4 high white socks and a bold bald face. The Jinny model's hair is pretty much the same dark chestnut and I love this "Jinny" because in some of the pictures she has a loving and somewhat open expression but you can still see the stubbornness in her.
Then there's what I think is the second edition set with a somewhat lighter chestnut horse. Is this Prince of Oranges? He only has rear white socks in most of the pics, although at least one photo looks touched up a bit to hint at 4 white stockings. This horse's facial markings are distinctive, with the blaze not solid all the way but rather has almost a break between the eyes, looking like a chestnut patch on the blaze if you will. Is this Prince of Oranges? (BTW the Jinny in all of these, and I have several titles in this edition, looks TOO truculent to me, but I can see from reading this board that Jinny did seem too self-absorbed and wild for many readers. But still, this Jinny model just never looks happy, even while aboard "Shantih.")
Then I have a pb 2-in-1 Chestnut Gold and Jump for the Moon with a model who looks older than any of the others. The Arabian has only a star and short stripe. I think these are from the 90's and although the horse is a beauty the other two "cover horses" look much more striking and like I picture Shantih. The model has more golden hair with a hint of red highlights and as I said looks a bit too old for Jinny I think.
But, all editorializing aside [ha ha laughing at myself and my long-windedness], which horse is Prince of Oranges?
Thanks and would love to hear others' thoughts on the various editions and photo illustrations.
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Post by haffyfan on Dec 2, 2010 17:33:44 GMT 1
This is Prince Of Orange. He was on the mid to later 80's covers with the whitehorseshoes (bar the final two although I think the drawing on 11 was based on him?)
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Post by Claire on Dec 2, 2010 20:33:34 GMT 1
I like the white horseshoe series covers the best, even tho Shantih was portrayed by a boy (didnt we have a discussion once about whether you can see his 'naughty bits' on any of the books?!! ;D) I wonder why no. 11 was a drawing and not a photo, although it is a nice one. My least favs are the gold horseshoes - the photos themselves just dont seem very good, they are badly arranged and the horse does not look very happy in many of them with ears back. I think drawings would have been better than them. Do like the new ones tho and at least Shantih is a girl in those.
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Post by rallycairn on Dec 3, 2010 2:08:56 GMT 1
Oh, thank you so much. Ok, he is in what I called the "second" type of edition. Lovely horse -- though I think all the horses chosen so far have been lovely. I haven't seen the new editions yet. Any links to those? ETA: Ok, I found the thread on the "New and Reprinted" and saw the first book cover. Another beautiful Shantih! And it seems to be the lovely girl pictured already in this thread -- very neat!
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Post by shantiharabian on Dec 3, 2010 23:16:49 GMT 1
I'm glad you like her she is my special girl indeed. here she is eating off my little snowmans face!!! Me and my little boy made it but Shantih ate it lol!!!!
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Post by rallycairn on Dec 3, 2010 23:37:48 GMT 1
Well, he DOES have a carrot for a nose after all! lol
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2010 7:38:06 GMT 1
Lovely photos
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Post by trixiepony on Dec 5, 2010 1:51:01 GMT 1
Well really if its a carrot its fear game.
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Post by haffyfan on Dec 29, 2010 21:10:11 GMT 1
You will be proud of me ;D I have been reading jinny...technically I have read some, missed others out totally (3 and 7 as couldn't face them), skipped lots of bits but I have read them. Not really changed my opinion on the whole but have a new favourite, Chestnut gold, really enjoyed that one! Picked up on a lot of 'ken stuff' that passed me by as a kid that was actually clearly quite brave of her and would have been very 'new' in terms of bringing it into a childs book especially of this genre. Anyhows question for all you Jinny fans What is Jinny's favourite book?
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Post by kunuma on Dec 29, 2010 22:03:49 GMT 1
Atta girl haffy, you see we are wearing you down! She'd have to like Gaze at the Moon, ponybook wise, she certainly needed a book on Training the Young Pony - and I think she was a fan of the Narnia books. As a grown up I think she like the dragon books of Anne McCaffery
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Post by haffyfan on Dec 29, 2010 22:11:47 GMT 1
lol your probably right but none of those are her favourite according to her creator...now i'm a super fan of course I know the answer She certainly liked galloping across those moors didn't she...we don't have moors but we have a common/heath (whatever you prefer) that we cross to get into the woods and you would certainly come a cropper galloping over all the gorse/heather without thinking about the rabbit holes and worse also waiting to get you.... Even the proper so called vehicle paths are only just passable mounted half the year as they flood to resemble lakes and you wouldn't brave them in anything less than a landrover
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Post by rallycairn on Dec 30, 2010 1:39:39 GMT 1
Well, in the one set at Christmas, Horse of Fire, it says that My Friend Flicka is "one of her favourites" and she begs for Thunderhead for Christmas, but that doesn't sound completely definitive.
A related question, in the first book when she is absorbed by worry over Shantih starving on the winter moors, she is reading a book but can't concentrate because of her worry and Leitch writes something like, "suddenly it didn't seem important whether Kirsty won the showjumping or not." Any guesses as to whether that refers to an actual book? Maybe Ponies for Hire?
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